Madonna Publicly Chastises Lourdes For Smoking A Cigarette, The Internet Puts On Its Judgey Pants


My three-year-old daughter is not allowed to jump on the couch (she’s already had enough tender-cranium-meeting-the-wood-floor experiences for my taste) or climb over the arm of the recliner (it loosens the arm, and again, tender cranium/wood floor). She understands that these two activities are forbidden…which is exactly why she does both of them whenever she’s in the care of a babysitter. How do we know this? Well, she tells us. Yes, my kid voluntarily RATS HERSELF OUT to us the next morning, something that is both extremely cute and incredibly disappointing because DANGIT, CHILD, don’t you know that Rule One of disobeying your parents is taking that shit to the grave?!

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Here lie the souls of so many who claimed to be sleeping over at Diane’s when they were totally getting drunk behind the bowling alley.

But even the most seasoned parental deceivers get caught once in a while, usually thanks to a call from a teacher or a poorly-constructed lie or someone’s else Mom seeing you at Wendy’s when you were supposed to be in History class LIKE, OH MY GOD, MRS. HARRISON, WE JUST WANTED A FROSTY, OK?!?!?!

 Madonna Publicly Chastises Lourdes For Smoking A Cigarette, The Internet Puts On Its Judgey Pants

(Oooo, girl, you were so worth it.)

When you’re the child of a celebrity, though, it’s damn near impossible to get away with anything, especially these days, when the paparazzi are embedded most everywhere, and anyone with a cameraphone can capture your bad behavior and share it with millions of people on the Internet before your parents even get wind of it. The problem with lessons like that, though, is that they often have to be learned the hard way, especially when you’re 15 years old and are absolutely certain you’ve got THE ENTIRE LAME WORLD figured out:

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GIRL

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YOU

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BUSTED

(Also who are those boys and isn’t that dress a little short and IIEEEEEEE I am so afraid of the day my daughter becomes a teenager.)

That girl up there is none other than Lourdes Ciccone Leon, a.k.a. Madonna’s gorgeous 15-year-old daughter, who was photographed smoking a cigarette in New York late last month. After the photos of Lourdes surfaced online, the Internet had plenty to say about the young girl’s behavior:

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OH! That’s right! This is the Internet we’re talking about, the place where grown-ass adults make irrelevant (and grammatically horrific) snarky comments about a beautiful young girl’s appearance and then in the same breath bemoan the pressure put on young girls to look like they just sprang forth from the pages of Vogue. I forgot. MY BAD.

Anyway, SOME citizens of the Internet actually addressed the issue at hand, their comments being a mixture of “Eh, it’s just a cigarette, she’s fifteen years old, what do you expect?” and “Of course she smokes because LOOK WHO HER MOTHER IS” kind of stuff.  The real reaction came nearly a month later, when Madonna talked about her daughter’s smoking and expressed her outright disapproval, as one might expect out of any mom. “I don’t approve of anyone who smokes, most of all, my daughter,” she said, and I don’t know about you guys, but I am willing to bet that Madonna can be pretty good with a guilt trip whenever you pull some teenage crap like this.

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OK, Mom, I get it — you’re disappointed! Jeez.

Madonna also admitted probably needing to toughen up her discipline when it came to her kids, but no one really cared about that. The Internet latched on to Madonna’s public scolding of Lourdes and had opinions to spare, as you can imagine:

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Whoa! That’s a lot of judgmental finger-pointing. Let’s stop before someone loses an eye (and then is judged for it).

So, I am not a huge Madonna fan. I think she’s pretty pretentious and seems kind of insufferable of late, but there are three important things to recognize when it comes to my opinion of Madonna:

  1. I, like most people, don’t know actually know her;
  2. I, like most people, don’t know jack-shit about her parenting skills, and therefore have no basis upon which to judge them;
  3. She has to navigate her daughter’s tricky teenage years just like any other parent, complete with the knowledge that she is going to have be a BIG OL’ HYPOCRITE in telling her daughter what not to do because THAT IS HER JOB AS A MOM.

What do people expect her to do in this situation? Tell the media that she’s A-OK with her daughter smoking a pack a day at three years below the legal age because she liked to wear a cone bra and sing songs about sex back in the day? Some people have mentioned that Madonna’s apparent smoking of a cigarette (that she claims was just a prop) in her new “Girl Gone Wild” video makes her culpable for Lourdes deciding to take a puff, and…REALLY? You don’t think BEING FIFTEEN AND TRYING TO LOOK COOL IN FRONT OF HER FRIENDS AND ALSO BEING FIFTEEN might have a little something to do with it?

The assumptions about Madonna’s parenting being poor based solely on her career choices and public image also rile me. Yes, the woman sure does enjoy her sexuality (NOT A CRIME, btw, but let’s keep the shame machine going anyway, right?), and yes, she’s done her fair share of outrageous things in the past that I’m sure will (or already have) embarrassed the hell out of her kids, and YES, if Lourdes is worth her teenage salt, you best believe she’ll be hurling a “You masturbated on stage but I’m not allowed to stay out last 11:00?!?!” at her mom at some point, but what does that have to do with her parenting? Is there any evidence that she’s been neglectful or abusive towards her children or created a terrible home life for them (*cough*courtneylove*cough*)? No, there isn’t, but that’s exactly why people are going apeshit about Lourdes’ totally normal act of teenage rebellion: so they can say “SEE, I TOLD YOU SO” about a woman they never approved of in the first place.

People (myself included) are perpetually inclined to ignore the fact that–had their pre-parenthood lives been chronicled under a celebrity microscope–they’d be subjected to the same kind of criticism that Madonna’s getting here. Lucky for most of us, our crazy days live mostly in our memories alone (thank you, Jesus, for letting me attend college before the digital photography/smartphone boom), so we can keep all that stuff under our toups when it comes time to lay down the law with our own kids. But if you’re going to judge Madonna for disapproving of her daughter’s smoking on the grounds that she’s no stranger to wild behavior, then you’d better be prepared to let your kids do whatever dumb shit you’ve done, free from reproach. What gives me the right to tell my daughter not to use a fake ID to get drunk with a bunch of dudes she barely knows since I stupidly did it once (or…more than once-ish)?

What gives me the right is that I’m her mother. What gives Madonna the right is that she’s Lourdes’ mother. Period.

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Recognize. Especially you back there, Side-eyes McGee.

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Jive Turkey lives in Pittsburgh and spends her time desperately clinging to the hope that someday the cast of Deadwood will destroy the cast of Glee.



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  • http://twitter.com/JenO_Eh Jen O.

    I LIKE Lourdes bushy eyebrows.

    (I swear I read this entire post, I just had to tell someone.  I like her full, dark eyelashes.  It’s very exotic and, oh yeah, SHE’S FIFTEEN.  Fifteen year olds’ eyebrows should be bushy.)

    Also, I’d like to know where all these perfect teenagers are who belong to these judgy internet parents, if, in fact, they even HAVE kids.  Because I’d bet while they’re spewing holier-than-thou opinio-garbage at the screen, their teenagers are off getting someone pregnant behind the middle school.

    • http://twitter.com/thegrumbles the grumbles

      I assumed that they were part of her high-fashion thing. Aren’t big eyebrows down to party or something right now?

      • Judy P

        I read somewhere that Lourdes desperately wants toget her eyebrows done, but that Madonna won’t let her until she’s 16.  Personally, I have kinda bushy eyebrows and I like them. I clean up random strays with tweezers, but won’t let a waxer anywhere near them. My old manicurist hated them and suggested waxing Every. Damn. Time. I went in, so I got a new manicurist, who actually LISTENS to me.

      • KristyDoyle

        At the risk of being hypocritical, I’d venture a guess that the two ladies above griping about her eyebrows aren’t up on the current eyebrow trends. Just a guess. 

        But yeah, I think her eyebrows rule, and she’s drop dead gorgeous. And I smoked my first cigarette at 13, and my mom was WAYYY strict (also, I’m pretty sure she never wore a cone bra). But yeah, people on the internet suck. It doesn’t shock me anymore. 

  • http://twitter.com/thegrumbles the grumbles

    It will never stop blowing my mind the BIZARRE trivial things internet commenters latch on to as their rally cry.

    It seems a little late to be judging Madonna for HAVING kids, since her daughter is freaking 15. That boat has sailed. Now people want to be mad that she is trying to do her job? PUH-LEASE.

    If parents aren’t allowed to parent their teenagers because they themselves had a checkered past I’m in serious trouble.

    • JiveTurkeyJones

      Right. In fact, I think the BEST parents a teenager can have are those with checkered pasts, because HOO BOY, they know what is UP, and will not buy any claims of “it’s just allergies” if you come home from “the mall” with massively dilated pot eyes.

      • Snarky_Amber

        Not to mention, you can give your kids really truthful and detailed accounts of all the stupid messed up shit you did when you were their age. Just watch them scurry off to volunteer for a soup kitchen or whatever – anything to place themselves as far away from any association with their lame ass burnout parents. If I tell my kids I did every drug that had been invented except for heroin and crack (too scary), I’m pretty sure that’ll work better than DARE ever did to keep kids off drugs.

    • KristyDoyle

      My mom used to say, “Nothing you ever do will shock me. I’ve done it all.” I rolled my eyes, but she was right, she was on top of it. I think having a checkered past makes you a BETTER parent. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=709468531 Dan Stryker

    Wait, there are pictures of Madonna “doing a dog!!”? Did Bestiality-Era Madonna come before or after she did Evita? Is that person talking about Warren Beatty? I’m so confused.

    • DianaCLT

       That controversial book she did, a hundred years ago (Okay, maybe more like ’80s-’90s).  “Erotic,” I think it was called.  My hubby said the kids at his school would go to the public library to look at the pics all the time.

      • JiveTurkeyJones

        BRB GOING TO THE LIBRARY

  • http://twitter.com/ryenerman rynerman

    My mom smoked like mad until I was 13 and yet it was made perfectly clear that if I ever smoked (or was caught smoking) she would probably kill me.  I don’t think Madonna’s wild past  means she doesn’t get to be the same big old hypocrite most parents are (myself included, there are PLENTY of things I did as a teenager that I ground the hell out of my kids for doing). 

    • JiveTurkeyJones

      I think being a hypocrite is just part of being a good parent. If I smoked, it might not be 100% FAIR of me (and definitely hypocritical) to tell my daughter she can’t smoke while she’s under my roof, but…isn’t it my job as a parent to protect her from destructive habits, even if I’m indulging in them myself? I mean, it obviously sends a super confusing message, but I still think it’s better than giving her a carton of Luckies for her 16th b-day.

  • Tyskkvinna

    See, I just can’t look at it as hypocrisy. I feel like it should be “learning from one’s mistakes”.

  • MollyGMartin

    If you didn’t do anything weird before you had kids, you shouldn’t be allowed to have them.  That’s MY judge-y opinion :)

  • Miss Penny Layne

    Somehow, every time I read a Mamapop piece that has me cracking up, I think to myself, “This must be Jive Turkey…” Scroll up. CONFIRMED! Damn girl, you say it just so. My God, but you’re hilarious. Every time. All The Time.  

    @SnarkyAmber… Good luck with that, girl. My my told me all the drugs she did (maybe for the same reason you’re thinking of it) and all it did was make me realize if SHE lived thru all that experimentation and still ended up as grounded and amazing as she did - it couldn’t hurt ME none! And I must say, in my humble opinion, it didn’t :) 
    Kids are gonna experiment. Bottom line. I could be way wrong, but I suspect that there’s just no way around it. I wish you all luck. Luck and tequila shots. But no cigarettes. Definitely none of those. Yuck!