MamaPop Interviews Dr. Bill Sears


Dr. Bill Sears has been a pediatrician for the past 40 years, and has, as he told me himself, attended over 1,000 births. “There’s no question to me who the stronger gender is,” he said with an earnest laugh. And it is precisely this strength, as perceived by Dr. Sears, that makes attachment parenting such an easy and natural choice for moms. And yes, he meant both working moms and SAHM alike.

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Dr. Sears spoke to me over the phone as he waited in line at the airport on Monday afternoon.  He was happy and eager to talk about the Time magazine controversy because, as I found out, he had mostly wonderful things to say about it. We started with the cover photo, naturally. Many MamaPop writers considered the image to be not so much offensive as it was just downright ridiculous. Women don’t even NURSE that way, for one, and, second, why are they LOOKING at us that way?

So, what did Dr. Sears think? Well, he agreed.

Kind of.

“I think the cover is certainly not what I would have chosen, nor something that the cover mother would have chosen. But looking at the big picture, looking at it three days later, I think it was a brilliant decision on the part of Time Magazine because it got readers’ attention. It was provocative. It was shock value, and that’s what sells magazines. It turned out to be one of Time‘s most successful covers ever. It got people to open up the magazine.”

Certainly, these are valid points, but did it do more harm than good? Dr. Sears seems to think that it is what you make of it. For instance, in wondering why the child’s face was unobstructed and whether the very staging of the act of nursing undermined its importance, Dr. Bill didn’t sound concerned. He knows Jamie Gruber, the mom who appeared on the cover, and spoke fondly of her, her husband, and the glowing social effects that attachment parenting had on their nearly-four year-old. The child exists in a supportive and loving environment, and as mother Jamie pointed out, she was breastfed until age 6 by her own mother. No oedipal complexes there!

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So we delved a bit deeper into the piece, into the foundation of attachment parenting itself. His biggest concern of the article was the use of one word: extreme.

“Certainly I wouldn’t call attachment parenting extreme. Attachment parenting is far from extreme. It is a very natural, instinctual way of parenting which most moms do anyway, and they don’t think it’s extreme.”

Well, obviously the ones practicing attachment parenting wouldn’t find it extreme. Alicia Silverstone comes to mind, and I used her baby-bird feeding video as an example to clarify what I meant.

“Yeah, well, those things…I don’t even waste my time thinking about crazy [sic] Silverstein headlines. Those are so bizarre. If the media wouldn’t nourish those things, they wouldn’t get published.”

He then abruptly changed the topic so he could go back to defending attachment parenting as non-extreme. He may be slightly out of touch, but he is focused on his message.

“Attachment parenting is the oldest style of parenting in the world. If you go to South America, or Asia, or these other countries that have had a lot longer experience parenting than we have, and they say, What’s the big deal? The World Health Organization advises, for optimal health, breastfeed your baby until two years of age and beyond [his emphasis]. Because these organizations? They understand science. They understand that, the longer a mother breastfeeds, the more likely–no guarantee, of course….I was bottle fed, and my mother did the best she could–the more likely these babies are going to end up healthier, happier, and smarter.”

When I asked him why the American Pediatric Association recommends six months to a year, he brushed them off as being out of touch. “They’re always five years behind.”

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So maybe he had some insight as to how attachment parenting has become a point of derision among mothers. I even threw the phrase MOMMY WARS in there, but Dr. Bill didn’t seem to bite. He heard me mention stay-at-home moms versus working mothers, and took that as his speaking point.

“Attachment parenting is even more important, more necessary, for a working mom. See, these are tools. These are tools; these are tools, not rules. They are tools that, on the basis of my forty years of study and experience, are investment tools. The tools you use to increase your investment into your child, and increase the likelihood of your child turning out with those three outcomes: healthy, happy, and smart. Now, does it mean you have to practice all the tools, all the time? No! Every parent chooses the tools that work for their situation and for their child. As a doctor, it’s up to us to get the parents those tools. How they use them, how often they use them, how long they use them–that’s up to the individual parent.”

But what about those critics that see attachment parenting as anti-feminist? It certainly puts several expectations upon the mother, and looks toward stereotypical “motherly instincts” to guide a woman in caring, incessantly, for her child.

Dr. Sears simply doesn’t see it that way.

“If I had to pick the most erroneous statement in the world I’ve ever heard, it’s that one. That is so wrong. That is so opposite. It’s actually the other way around. And here’s why: I get tons of letters from parents, and the two biggest words these mothers use are ‘validating’ and ‘empowering.’ Thank you Dr. Sears for validating my instinct. Thank you Dr. Bill for empowering me with tools to take charge of my baby and my parenting. I’ve been to over 1,000 births, and there’s no question to me who the stronger gender is.”

And then he references the article he praised at the beginning of the interview.

“The only thing that I thought was a low-blow in the Time article was the term ‘misogynyst.’ Most people missed that anyway, but I don’t even want to go there. I had to ask my wife what that meant, and she said, ‘You don’t wanna know.’”

We talked briefly about co-sleeping, and how there is no science to support the fact that co-sleeping increases the likelihood of SIDS. That there are instances of unsafe co-sleeping with underlying circumstances such as alcohol or drugs, that are used to perpetuate something that is simply untrue. He referenced a study by Dr. James McKenna, Chief of the Mother-Baby Sleep Laboratory at Notre Dame, which looked specifically at bed sharing. The finding there was that, with bed-sharing mothers and their babies, there became a mutual awareness. When something started happening with the baby’s breathing, the mother would wake up. Therefore, it’s actually “safer” for the mom to sleep with the baby, provided it’s being done safely.

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And then we cut all the crap and just talked about boobs.

“Did you hear that Kroger pulled their issues of Time from the registers?” I asked him.

“Oh, I knew it. I would hope mothers are out there picketing Kroger. You know, why doesn’t Kroger take the magazines off that portray breasts to sell beer? And I hope you put that in. When stores start doing that, they forget: what is the purpose of the breast? It’s to nurture a child. It’s to nurture a human being. Magazines that portray breasts to sell beer and cars? That’s downgrading women. If I were a woman, I’d be out there picketing those magazines, not breastfeeding. I think they blew it, and I hope they get a huge backlash. I hope bloggers all over America get on that.”

And at about that point, my three year-old woke up from his nap and tried to spill water all over my laptop, so I thanked the good doctor and wished him a safe trip home.

My overall impression is that this man may be a tad out of touch with the modern woman, but he is a good person and by-and-large an advocate for women and their babies. And because of that, I’m passing on the torch, fellow bloggers. It’s time to get sassy with Kroger, ya’heard?

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Kristine knows who Arcade Fire is. Sadly, she is also familiar with Teresa Giudice's bubbies, Justin Bieber's hair, and Kanye's tweeting habits. She blogs at Wait in the Van



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  • http://anymommyoutthere.com/ Anymommy

    Well done.  I love the call to action.  I’m not sure he addressed the heart of the divisiveness, but I’m not sure he can because it’s about how we think about each other and only we can address that.  

    • http://www.waitinthevan.com Kristine

      Exactly. He definitely deflected the Mommy Wars question, but that’s fair enough, I guess. He’s just doing what he knows.

  • http://twitter.com/thegrumbles the grumbles

     As a working mom who rolled around in attachment parenting for a while I always felt the way he described, though obviously a lot of other women think it’s ridiculous. Especially cosleeping- when I first when back to work night time cuddles were essential to resetting my “family togetherness” switch before I left for another day apart. On the flip side, we only coslept for a few early months. Our kid prefers his own space, so we did it until it didn’t work for us anymore. That simple.

    I’m still on the fence about how Sears & the bloggers involved in the photoshoot are excited by the controversy– they see it as more people being exposed to attachment parenting, which would be ideal for their agenda, but for the most part I think the controversy has completely overshadowed the message Sears is obviously very dedicated to presenting.

    • http://www.waitinthevan.com Kristine

      I think the first part of your comment is what I had the biggest problem with in the interview: his assumption that this is something instinctual for all mothers. I wonder if it really is.

      • http://twitter.com/thegrumbles the grumbles

        I totally make no claims that it is more instinctual, or better (or whatever), that was just my own personal experience.

        I liked his term of “tools” instead of “rules” though. These are different avenues you can try, and if they don’t work for you do something that does. It seemed like he was pretty down to earth about it, whereas some of his followers are… not. I think that’s were the Mommy Wars part really flares up.

        • http://www.waitinthevan.com Kristine

          Oh, no, I wasn’t implying you were. I agree about the tools thing. Loved that. Love that he expects it to look different for everyone. That seems to be closest thing to him weighing in on the Mommy Wars, if you extrapolate, I guess.

  • http://www.sweetney.com Sweetney

    Awesome interview. Also, completely and utterly shocked that he doesn’t know what the word “misogynist” means. Particularly considering who his followers primarily are. That seems… odd.

    • Snarky_Amber

      He’s so pro-woman he *literally* doesn’t know the meaning of the word misogyny. Rolling my eyes.

    • http://www.waitinthevan.com Kristine

      I know. I should have asked him if he was joking, but it didn’t *seem* like he was! He kind of said it off-handedly, so maybe he was being funny, doctor-style?

      • Tyskkvinna

         I interpreted it as humour, when I read it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=619708464 Sarah Smith-Frigerio

    Thanks for this article. I like hearing what he had to say. I attachment parented my children (sans breastfeeding, which did not work for me at all) without even realizing exactly what I was doing — meaning that it was not part of an agenda– and I like that he wants to bring attention to the concept of tools. I do wish he would have weighed in on the divisiveness, however. He had the chance to bring people together, and I think he should have taken it.

  • Josette Plank

    Great interview!

    I also have to add that I’m disappointed that he didn’t address the divisiveness. I know that he talks a more “do what you can”  line, and I do agree that I really haven’t yet met a parent who didn’t practice attachment parenting to some degree (whether they felt comfortable admitting to kids in their bed or not weaning until later than they had planned) and I’m glad he’s letting women know that it’s okay to re-think what they now think are parenting “failures”.

    However, the fact is that there is a very strident, zealous faction of vocal woman out there who are openly judgmental when it comes to other women not making some prescribed level of sacrifice and  damning other family’s choices because they don’t look like their own. Frankly, I sometimes get the feeling those kinds of jabs are more about their own unhappiness with their situation than with caring about some “harm” done to another child, but bygones. 

    However, a public word or two from the Guru of attachment parenting to chill the hell out with the judgment from *both* directions would have gone a long way. Zealots do take their toll on any movement. I know too many women turned off by sisterly sneers and Golden Vagina competitions, and that’s a real shame. I realize that some women are defending their position because there is so much cultural eeewwww-ing about breastfeeding – in public, beyond a certain age, etc. They feel attacked, and so they attack back (which can’t be good for your breast milk cortisol levels, let’s be honest. Erem.)

    It’s one thing to say, “Don’t listen to them.” But as natural as it is to breastfeed a child until they can crack chicken bones between their teeth (and I nursed two of mine until they could eat cheese steaks while reading Magic Tree House books), it’s also natural for women to need to feel part of a tribe. If you don’t want a woman in your tribe for some reason, be kind. If a tribe is not for you, bow out with grace. There are other tribes out there. There are many paths to a whole, healthy child. If a mom can’t co-sleep or wear a baby, believe me, there are other ways to fill in those blanks. 

    And stop the freakin’ attacks. “She started it” doesn’t work in my house with my kids. It’s not a good example for any kid, I don’t care if St Ann visits your house each night to read bedtime stories.

    • http://twitter.com/thegrumbles the grumbles

      What you said in your second paragraph? Dead on. Women like that are why I do not actively identify as AP anymore. I really would have liked to see him address it.

      • Josette Plank

        I want to be clear that I do understand that AP parents feel attacked as well. There is a lot of judgment to go around.

        Raising a kid does not come with instructions, and let’s face it, it’s a daunting task. Raising a physically, emotionally, spiritually, psychologically complex being who might very well right a book about you later on can be risky. And I don’t care how laid back anyone seems, we’re a naturally competitive culture, and a well-educated one at that. To  be told that our way may not be the right way touches on all our fears as well as our own self-esteem, and yet, I think that’s the same place all the judgment springs from. Mobius Problem.

        I’m a co-sleeping/breastfeeding/baby-wearing advocate because I think there is still a lot of misunderstanding out there. (That said, two of my children refused to be baby-worn. Wanted none of it.)

        However, being an advocate for mothering in all its forms comes first. I think if – no matter our own parenting style – we all stand like guard dogs between whatever mother is being currently scrutinized as being “not good enough” and whoever is currently making her feel like a chump, we’ll all win. (Even though it’s not a competition. ;-)  )

    • SuzyQuzey

      There’s a Golden Vagina contest? I want in!

      Kidding aside (maybe), you’ve made some very good points in your comments, Josette.

      • Josette Plank

        I got the Bronze Vagina award once. But it was an easy field.

  • Earl_the_Butcher

    Seriously, this is strong work.  The fact that he didn’t know what the word “misogynist” meant was a little bizarre.  The fact that his wife decided he wouldn’t want to know is even stranger. 

    Anyway, this piece makes me proud to be a part of this site.  Great work, Kristine; Alicia Silverstein would be proud.    

    • http://www.waitinthevan.com Kristine

      Right?! I honestly couldn’t tell if he was joking. 

  • MollyGMartin

    Fabulous work, Kristine.  Less fabulous work, Dr. Sears’ high school English teachers.

  • Josette Plank

    Also…and I’ll shut up after this…

    This: 

    Attachment parenting is the oldest style of parenting in the world. If you go to South America, or Asia, or these other countries that have had a lot longer experience parenting than we have, and they say, What’s the big deal? 

    I’m not sure it isn’t false logic to extend the assumption that because this style of parenting is oldest and practiced in other countries, that it is necessarily always the best/only way to “successfully” raise a child from infancy in other countries/cultures.  I remember a friend talking about seeing women in a 3rd world country, yes baby wearing, but doing so because mom had to eek out basic survival every day; child was being worn, but not necessarily getting the same level of early interaction (basic interaction, not talking Baby Einstein here) that Western kids get. I think we have to be careful with cultural relativism here (are we still using that term?)

    We tout the word “natural” as if it is a forgone conclusion that mothers and children are not malleable beyond a certain point. I get that we’re only 10,000 years into modern man’s evolution here, but there is also good research which shows that, in layman’s terms, “mothers are ‘matched with’ the children they are best suited to raise.” 

    That simplifies things when it comes to things like illness or real environmental stresses- some kids are very tough to bring up – but as much as women are bent toward community, I think we discount the fact that the female of the species is benevolently ruthless when it comes to knowing best how to keep their “genes on the ground” – whether that means co-sleeping or taking on a full time job. We have limited capacity for progeny as compared with men, Duggars aside. And civilization and niceties aside, on a purely biological, instinctual, “natural” level, women have more to lose if a child isn’t “successful” at surviving in the society it was born into.So, if we’re talking natural parenting, really, I’m pretty confident that “good moms” will naturally do what it takes to keep their kids healthy and make them successful members of the culture they are brought into.  And frankly, I don’t know any moms who aren’t good moms.

    • Allison

       Hi. I’m really enjoying reading the comments and was just interested in hearing more about when you said there is research to show that mothers are “matched with” the children they are best suited to raise.  Just wondering if you were talking genetics, or a cosmic (religious?) sort of thing, or something else.  I find all of this very fascinating. 

      I have a 2-yr-old and have been pro-attachment parenting from the beginning (though I did wean her at 15 months), and although I do strongly believe in it, I don’t believe in criticizing or belittling other moms who make a different choice.  My child is a very secure little girl, happy and healthy and already way ahead in terms of what she’ll need to learn when she starts her schooling.  I also know plenty of moms who did less on the attachment side of parenting, and their kids are doing equally well.  So, no judgment here.

      • Josette Plank

        Well, cosmic as well, I suppose. But, I’m more Scully than Mulder. From what reading I’ve done – and I’m not going to search out studies or authors right now – it’s the combination of genetics and environment that combine (in a myriad of ways) to make each parent /child a good “match” for each other.

        That is, the parent will adjust his/her parenting according to cues from the child and from the environment (culture, society, personal family environment, etc.) to do what is best for that child. It’s not foolproof or perfect.  But with the primary goals of physical survival and then cultural/societal survival, each parent/child acts as a unit, giving-taking feedback. Etc.

        It’s all arguable, or course. But I think the point to take away is there is no single algebraic equation which plugs in any parent for X and any child for Y and gets Z = Success. Each parent/child writes their own equations. There is certainly a hedging of bets (e.g. putting a kid in a car seat, healthy foods and exercise, etc.) but even there, no absolute values. Also, I suck at math, so I hope I’m using terms correctly.

  • http://www.waitinthevan.com Kristine

    I think he differentiated when it comes to young infants. They should be in a co-sleeping bassinet that attaches to the mom’s bed, whereas older babies/toddlers/kids can share the bed in a more literal sense.

  • Ninja Mom

    Good show, woman. Well done!

  • http://twitter.com/Alabama_Lizzie Elizabeth Clements

    I am so glad you were able to speak with him. I really wish he would have addressed the Mommy Wars question.  I am 37 years old and headed back to college to become a nurse, and later a midwife.  BUT, I feel so guilty about not having been an AP parent to my three boys, I feel like I should be popping out three more kids to prove my worth.  I never heard of attachment parenting until I started following the blog of a gal I went to grade school with.  I did a lot of the things AP parents do, but to some, it doesn’t count.   At. All.  I agree with Josette’s comment about parenting in third world countries.  (I could see it on my Kindle, but not here.)  It comes down to this, why do we do this to ourselves, and each other? Happy, healthy kids are the goal.  Right?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Becki-Thompson/1387917270 Becki Thompson

    Why do we have to boycott Kroger’s?  Some people, including me, and a friend who is a therapist, have an issue with the boy’s face being shown.  I DON’T want to see it and those I know with kids DON’T want to explain that picture at the checkout line because that is exactly where Time is displayed.

    And he used the “Breasts with beer” sells a product as a comparions -well, no.  A minor child who had NO SAY in this was used.  And his face was shown.  And he has already been recognized and on the news out here in the West Coast where they live . .

    • http://www.waitinthevan.com Kristine

       While he didn’t address that directly, his defense of the entire thing seems to be in line with his defense of Attachment Parenting. That is to say, that this is a perfectly natural thing, so why should we be concerned about exposing this young boy by means of something that shouldn’t be so shocking in the first place? Also, the mother, as most AP style parents, follows her child desires. If he didn’t want to be nursing any longer, he wouldn’t be.

      As much as I probably wouldn’t have made that same decision, I think they’re valid points.

  • http://twitter.com/jonniker Jonna

    McKenna’s research is VERY SPECIFIC about what safe bed-sharing is. Safe bed sharing wouldn’t increase a suffocation risk, because you would remove the environment from all suffocation-type devices. He’s also specific that it’s breastfed infants only. So, under a very specific, controlled environment, studies show that it’s safe. 

    Mind you, I have issues with McKenna AND Sears separate from all of that. My biggest beef with Sears is in his Baby Book and, I think, on his website, where he makes the guilt-ridden suggestion that you shouldn’t let your baby cry it out, because, in the case of one of his patients, they could DIE THE NEXT DAY. AND THEN WHAT? Jesus, Bill. Way to manipulate your audience.